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I Have a Copycat Coworker

Q: You have previously written about “copycat coworkers”, but my copycat is really extreme.  “Megan” has started dressing exactly like me and even went to my eye doctor to get the same glasses.  She always duplicates my order at lunch and has items similar to mine on her desk.

Last week, I happened to meet someone who is friends with Megan.  This complete stranger knew a lot about me because Megan apparently talks about me all the time.  This is getting kind of creepy.  Should I be worried?  Uneasy

A: Some copycat coworkers are pathetic, ineffectual people in search of an identity.  Others are emotionally unbalanced and obsessed.  But in either case, the recipient of this unwanted attention usually finds it rather unnerving to encounter a mirror image day after day.

If Megan just seems to be seeking a role model, begin gently nudging her towards greater individuality.  For example: “Megan, I’m flattered that you admire my taste in clothes, but if we look too much alike, I’m afraid people won’t see your own unique personality.”  Try putting some one-of-a-kind items on your desk or delaying your lunch order until she places hers. 

Remain pleasant and professional, but keep all conversations focused on work.  Don’t become overly friendly or share any personal information.  Eventually, her fixation should subside or shift to another target. 

On the other hand, obsessions do occasionally escalate into stalking.  If this woman ever starts approaching you outside the office, immediately notify your boss or human resources manager, then contact the appropriate authorities for advice on self-protection.

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The Office Staff Will Not Accept My Daughter


Q:  My physician husband decided to leave a large group practice and establish his own office.  Four staff members, including the office manager, left with him.  Our daughter, a health care provider, also joined the new practice.

I helped out in the office for awhile, but I left because the office manager was so disrespectful to me.  Our daughter still works there, but has never been accepted by the “office group."  They gossip about her, reschedule her patients, and complain about her at staff meetings.

My husband has held several meetings to try to mediate these problems, but it’s just getting worse.  He's worried sick that our daughter will leave.  Any suggestions?  

 

A:  Your husband needs to grow a backbone.  He owns the practice, so he’s the boss.  If his staff is harassing his daughter, then he should tell them to stop.  And if they don't, then he needs to find some new employees

In a family business, family members have all the power, which frequently annoys unrelated employees.  But your husband seems to be giving his power away, perhaps because doctors often have no clue about how to handle personnel issues.

Instead of endlessly trying to "mediate" this conflict, your hubby needs to act like a business owner and give his staff some clear direction.  And if your daughter is contributing to the problem, then he must do the same with her.  As the boss, the buck stops with him.

 

My Coworker is a Snoop


Q:  One of my coworkers reads the documents on my desk.  She also tries to look at my computer screen over my shoulder. This really drives me crazy.  How do I get her to stop? 

 

A:  Coworkers can only invade your privacy if you allow it.  To stop the snooper, you must immediately thwart her annoying behavior.  Do not try to be subtle. 

When she attempts to examine your papers, simply turn them over or put them in a drawer.  If she picks them up, hold out your hand and say "I need those back, please".

Always keep a fake document open on your computer.  When the curious colleague starts to scrutinize your screen, obscure your work by clicking over to the “dummy”. 

If she asks why you are being so secretive, smile and say "It just bothers me when people try to look over my work."  Then drop the subject.

Busybodies can be quite persistent.  But if you continue to foil her efforts, eventually she’ll get the message. 

 

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 My Coworker Is A Drama Queen

Q:  My coworker, “Kristy”, shifts from being friendly and cheerful to hateful and sulky if anyone corrects her work.  She will cry at her desk until someone asks what’s wrong.  

Kristy tells people that I don’t help her, even though I give her detailed instructions.  She sends emails asking why no one likes her and says things like “I’m so stupid” or “this is the worst day of my life”. 

My boss is so afraid of setting her off that he seldom talks to her.  However, she says that he gives her raving performance reviews.

Although the rest of the group babies Kristy, I usually ignore her antics.  I believe she’s just trying to get attention. 

My boss tells me that I will soon get a promotion for which I have worked very hard.  I know this will upset Kristy, because she has been here longer than I have.  My manager is also dreading her reaction to the news.  What should I do?  Tired of Babysitting

A:  Sounds like another wimpy manager held hostage by a drama queen.  Your boss really needs to grow a backbone, but you can’t do much about that.

Nor are you likely to change Kristy.  Her volatile behavior is rewarded not only by her colleagues’ caretaking, but also by her manager’s neglect.  By intimidating him, Kristy avoids all discussion of  her performance problems.

But for you, everything seems to be going well.  So enjoy your upcoming promotion and ignore any fireworks from Kristy.  And when you become a manager, please try to have more guts than your boss.

 

I Can't Afford Gifts for my Coworkers


Q:  I’m not sure how to handle holiday gift-giving at work.  About three months ago, I started a part-time job in a very small office.  I don’t make much money, so I’m not comfortable giving presents. 

Bringing homemade treats won’t work, because I don’t bake.  My husband, who works for a large corporation, says that giving Christmas gifts is not appropriate.  What are your thoughts? 

 

A:  Christmas traditions vary widely.  Some groups hold formal drawings to determine “Secret Santas”, while others simply wish each other "Happy Holidays!" on the last day of work. 

Your manager can tell you what’s typically done in your office.  But even if gifts are customary, few people would expect a newly-hired, part-time employee to buy presents for everyone. 

One easy option is to purchase a box of candy or cookies for the whole staff to share.  Most people enjoy munching on goodies while they work.

And here’s a message for managers: if festivities in your office have become too extensive or expensive, set some limits.  Holiday celebrations are great morale boosters, as long as they don’t exclude people who are on a tight budget or who come from different religious traditions.

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Our Coworker Doesn't Look Very Good


Q.  One of our coworkers doesn't seem to care about her appearance.  “Marcy” is almost 40, overweight, and vertically challenged.  I’m sure the way she looks will hurt her chances of advancement. 

 

Instead of choosing attractive clothes, Marcy wears whatever she finds on sale.  Several of us are just as large, but we select outfits that flatter our figures.  People compliment us all the time.

 

In old photos, with her hair and makeup done, Marcy looked wonderful.  If she would touch up her face even a little, that would help.  Her excuse is that her husband loves her the way she is.  How can we help her? 

 

A:  Marcy is happy.  Marcy’s husband is happy.  And since no job performance problems are mentioned, I assume Marcy’s boss is happy.  So perhaps you and your cuter colleagues should continue to bask in your compliments and just let Marcy go her dowdy way. 

 

Since you and Marcy obviously have different priorities, stop viewing her as an improvement project and accept her for who she is.  Then maybe you can find something more important to worry about, like world hunger or the melting polar icecap.

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My Coworkers are a Bunch of Slackers


Q:  As a young, knowledgeable, ambitious employee, I find myself in a perplexing position.  I work for a large government agency where many people spend their time doing anything but work. 

 

They play computer games, surf the web, read the paper, take frequent smoke breaks, discuss TV shows, gossip about celebrities, plan vacations, manage their finances, and work on school assignments.

 

Sometimes these coworkers try to give their assigned tasks to me.  I always reply courteously by saying, “Just okay it with the boss, then I’ll be glad to help you.”  So far, the boss hasn’t given me any of their work.

 

I can’t decide whether I should report this chronic abuse of agency time.  My goal is to get into management, so I want to demonstrate my dedication and work ethic.  But if I’m seen as a whistle-blower, I might lose any chance of advancement.

 

A:  Your goof-off colleagues obviously have no concern about either job security or wasting the taxpayers’ money.  Your response to their requests for assistance is politically brilliant. 

 

Apparently, your boss is either totally indifferent or too timid to tackle the problem.  Since the abuse is widespread, odds are that upper management also has chosen to tolerate it. 

 

If you can locate a higher-up who seems receptive, then you might raise the issue.  But perhaps it’s time to stop worrying about the agency and start worrying about yourself. 

 

You seem to have landed in an organization whose culture is a complete mismatch for your personality.  And one lone employee will never change the culture single-handedly.

 

If you remain with this agency, you are likely to evolve from a frustrated young employee to a frustrated aging manager.  So start looking for a job where your strong work ethic will be applauded, not resented. 

 

Related information from Your Office Coach:

 

·      Quick Quiz: Do You Annoy Your Coworkers?  from our “Coworker Relationships” section

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My Coworkers Don't Care About Me


Q:  Six weeks ago, my husband had surgery to remove a cancerous tumor.  Because he needed intensive treatment, I took leave from my job to care for him.   

During this difficult time, only three coworkers have contacted me to see how we are doing.  There are thirty people in my office, and I have worked there for four years. 

I've always had a good relationship with my colleagues, so I am hurt and disappointed by this treatment.  Frankly, I am disgusted with them.  I can't seem to get beyond these feelings. 

When I go back to work, I know people will ask about my husband's condition.  Since they weren’t there when I needed support, I have no desire to discuss his health with them.  How should I handle their questions?   

A:  You and your husband have experienced a terrifying crisis that consumed every waking moment of your lives.  From your perspective, your coworkers’ silence indicates a lack of concern for your suffering.  However, that’s not necessarily true.

Because people react to illness differently, some may assume that contacting you would be intrusive.  In a group of thirty employees, some probably feel they don’t know you well enough.  And others may be unsure about what to say, so they put off saying anything. 

Would sending a card or email have been the thoughtful thing to do?  Absolutely.  But this oversight doesn’t mean that your coworkers are uninterested.  Odds are they’ve received regular updates from those who are in touch with you.  

When you return to the office, many well-meaning folks will greet you with genuine sympathy and concern.  Try to accept these sentiments as authentic and respond graciously.  If you prefer not to share detailed information, just say "My husband is doing very well.  Thanks for asking.” And leave it at that.

The caring colleagues who supported you during your ordeal will always have a special place in your heart.  If some of the others are insensitive or indifferent, don’t waste your emotional energy fretting about them.

Related information from Your Office Coach:

§          Trust & Betrayal at Work”  from our “Coworker Relationships” section:

http://www.yourofficecoach.com/Topics/trust%20and%20betrayal%20at%20work.htm

 

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Burned by a Friend


Q:  Several months ago, my neighbor decided to leave her husband.  Everyone was shocked, because they had seemed like a happy couple.  I helped this woman and her child move out, gave her money, and took them into my home for a few weeks.  I also helped her get a job in my office.  Recently, I learned that this “friend” has been coming on to my husband and encouraging him to leave me.  I found a message from her on his cell phone saying she missed him and was dying to see him.   When I confronted my husband, he said he talked to her only because she was so lonely.  He has told her to stop calling and stay out of our lives.  The problem is that she’s still working at my office.  I’ve been with this company for six years, but having her here has ruined everything.  Please tell me what I should do. 

 

A:  Although your motives were admirable, inviting this woman into your life was not a good decision.  Having chosen that course, however, you must now live with the consequences.

 

Like it or not, your backstabbing neighbor has become a coworker.  So unless she continues to pursue your husband, you must treat her as you would any other colleague. 

 

Act businesslike, mature, and polite, but keep your distance.  Your friendship expired the day she started chasing your spouse, so you don’t need to be her office buddy.

 

If you fear she might try to sabotage you, consider giving your boss a heads-up.  But don't review the entire soap opera.  Just provide a brief summary to make your manager aware of the situation.

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I'm Not "One of the Girls"


Q:  I am a male employee who has trouble relating to female supervisors and managers.  I don’t mind them personally, but I resent the way they deal with events in their lives, like divorces or weddings.

 

When women managers have some sort of life event going on, they spend lots of time talking with female employees, but completely ignore me and the other men.  They don’t even acknowledge our existence.

 

I am usually the first person to arrive at the office, but the female managers don’t even say “good morning” when they come in.  They just start chatting with the other women.  How can I keep a positive attitude when I am excluded from their conversations? 

 

A:  Sounds like the female version of the “good old boys network”.   Managers should never create in-groups and out-groups among their employees.

 

However, many guys would pay good money to avoid detailed feminine discussions about relationships and personal activities.  So these women may assume that you simply wouldn't be interested. 

 

If you want to be included in the early-morning chats, don’t wait for an invitation.  Instead, take the initiative and join the conversation. 

 

Ask how the wedding plans are going or how little Johnny is doing in pre-school.  Then share a few anecdotes from your own life.

 

Once the gals know you want to participate, I guarantee that you will no longer be ignored.  Although eventually you may wish that you were.

 

 

Related information from Your Office Coach:

§          Political Pitfalls for Men & Women”  from our “Office Politics” section:

http://www.yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_pitfalls.htm

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My Friend Won't Stop Singing


Q:  Management allows our group to wear headphones while we work.  One of my close friends has a habit of humming to the music or singing a few words.  Sometimes she can be rather loud.

 

This doesn’t bother me, but I know it disturbs other people.  If they complain to management, I’m afraid our headphone privileges will be taken away.   How should I bring this to her attention? 

 

A:  Your friend may be completely oblivious to her humming habit.  Approach her in a spirit of helpfulness, not criticism. 

 

For example: " Mary, I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but you often hum along with the music on your headphones.  I don’t mind, but some people find it distracting.  If they complain, management might decide to ban headphones altogether, so I thought I should let you know." 

 

If she's really a close friend, she'll appreciate your candor.  But if she reacts defensively, just tell her that you only wanted to be helpful. 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

 Giving Effective Feedback” 

http://www.yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

Do You Annoy Your Coworkers? http://www.yourofficecoach.com/Topics/do_you_annoy.htm

 

 

My Coworker Seems To Be Losing It


Q:  One of my coworkers, “Rachel”, is a college acquaintance.  We weren’t close in school, but became friends after joining this firm. 

 

Recently, Rachel’s behavior has become questionable.  She calls in sick at least once a week and gets upset about absurd things.  For example, when she and another woman brought in snacks, Rachel yelled at her for “trying to out-do her” with the food. 

 

Although we work on different teams, Rachel often rushes over to my desk and complains so loudly that everyone can hear.  When I told her my boss didn’t like this, she got very angry and started giving him dirty looks.

 

I’m afraid Rachel’s behavior will eventually begin to reflect badly on me.  But I also feel bad about avoiding her, because she doesn’t have any friends.  

 

This situation is distracting me from my work.  Should I go talk to someone? 

 

A:  Since Rachel seems to be on the verge of a meltdown, sharing your concerns is the responsible thing to do.  Discuss this recent behavior change with her supervisor or the human resources manager. 

 

Because Rachel’s anger and absences are quite obvious, management might be involved already.  But if not, your observations may prompt some helpful action.

 

As a friend, you can also offer assistance directly.  Simply say that she seems to be having a difficult time and ask if you can help.  If your company has an employee assistance program, give her the contact number.

 

However, if Rachel’s disruptive outbursts continue, you may have no choice but to distance yourself.  Otherwise, both your work and your reputation may suffer. 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

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How Do I Handle a Coworker’s Affair?


Q:  For the past two years, a secretary in our office has been having an affair with one of the executives.  Both of them are married with young children.

 

My problem is not with the affair itself, as these people are adults and can do as they please.  However, the secretary has become so distracted by this relationship that her work has suffered considerably.  She used to be quite friendly with everyone, but now she only has time to assist her boyfriend.

 

Top management thinks very highly of this woman, so if I speak up I’m afraid I’ll lose my job.  Most people know about the affair, but they choose to turn a blind eye to it.  I’m not sure how to handle this situation. 

 

A:  Does the secretary's romantic distraction create problems with your own work?  If so, talk with her about any tasks that are being neglected.

 

Her affair is completely irrelevant to this discussion.  You need to focus on the result of her inattentiveness, not the presumed cause. 

 

For example: "Mary, I’m concerned about the turnaround time on my monthly reports.  They seem to be taking longer and longer to complete, so we need to agree on a deadline." 

 

If this fails to do the trick, tell your boss about the secretary’s lapses without mentioning her love life.

 

But if this woman’s infatuation has no effect on your own job performance, stop fretting about her moral and vocational shortcomings.  It’s a waste of your time and energy. 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

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I Hate My New Coworker!


Q:  I simply cannot work with the new person in my department.  I am 24 years old and the administrative assistant to the sales director.  He recently hired a sales representative who is 52 and used to be a manager in another company. 

 

This woman seemed nice until I corrected her paperwork and told her how to do it properly.  That started a confrontation between us.  Since then, she watches everything I do.  I hate her, and I know she hates me, too. 

 

Being around this lady makes me sick.  Whenever she comes into my office, I feel like telling her to stay away from me.  All the other sales reps say that they don’t like her either.  What can I do about this? 

 

A:  Your extreme emotional reaction is the real issue here.  Saying “I hate her” and “she makes me sick” sounds pretty immature.  This woman is just a difficult coworker, not Attila the Hun. 

 

To be successful, you must learn to work with obnoxious people without becoming one yourself.  You will meet many more of them during your career. 

 

Even if you don’t like each other, you and your adversary have to work together.  So overlook her annoying traits and avoid arguing with her.  If she acts like a child, you need to be the adult.

 

If you are expected to review her paperwork, remember that the standards are established by management, not by you.  Have your boss talk with her about any necessary corrections. 

 

Finally, consider that a 52-year-old former manager might be somewhat anxious about starting a new job at this point in her career.  Then see if you can muster up a little sympathy.  If she’s really as bad as you say, she won’t be around long.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Good Ground Rules for Quarrelsome Groups ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/quarrelsome_groups.htm

§           “How to Deal with Childish Adults” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_deal_with_childish_adults.htm

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My Co-Worker Keeps Touching My Husband 


Q: My husband and I teach at the same school.  This year, a new young math teacher started openly flirting with my husband and touching him.  She hugs him, rubs his shoulders, and so forth.  She often does this in my presence.  I know it’s silly, but her behavior really bothers me.  What should I do?

 

A: You're not being silly at all.  Wanting this hussy to keep her hands off your husband is completely normal.  If she just gazed at him adoringly, you might feel foolish bringing it up.  But hugging and rubbing clearly crosses the line.

 

The math teacher may be the problem, but the solution lies with your husband.  Since he’s the target of this flirtatious behavior, it’s his responsibility to stop it.  If he hugs her back or gives a deep, happy sigh during a shoulder massage, then he's sending the wrong message. 

 

Without getting overly upset or dramatic, tell your hubby exactly how you feel and what you want him to do.  For example: "You may think this is silly, but I really hate it when Mary hugs you or rubs your shoulders.  I would appreciate it if you would ask her to stop."

 

If he’s a bit slow to catch on, ask how he would feel if the situation were reversed:  "Suppose that Bob kept touching me and giving me back rubs.  Would you like that?" 

 

Should he resist talking to her about it, ask him to do so as a personal favor to you.  As his wife, your feelings should be more important than hers.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “How to Deal with Childish Adults ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_deal_with_childish_adults.htm

§          “Giving Effective Feedback” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

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My Co-Workers Are Ripping Off The Company


Q:  Two people in our office, a mother and daughter, are falsifying hours on their timesheets.  The rest of us are honest employees who show up for work, do our jobs, and make up any time we miss.

 

Our boss works in a different location, so she doesn’t know what goes on here.  When we gently tried to tell her about this problem, she said we were being petty. 

 

Now these two women are getting paid for hours and hours of overtime, when they’re not even working their regular hours.  Their dishonesty is hurting morale and causing a lot of resentment.  What is our ethical responsibility in this situation? 

 

A:  Your “gentle” description of this scam may have been too vague.  To get the attention of your off-site boss, you must clearly convey the magnitude of the problem.

 

For the next couple of weeks, record the exact number of hours these overtime bandits actually work.  Then compare the true attendance figures with their timesheet report.  Send this information to your manager with a note signed by you and your coworkers. 

 

If your boss continues to ignore the fraud, you may have to choose between justice and self-protection.  The next logical step is to report the violations to human resources or upper management.  But going over your manager’s head does risk making her angry. 

 

Once you have informed the appropriate people about this deception, then you’ve done all you can do.  If the higher-ups fail to take action, just file this experience under "life's not fair" and let it go. 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “How to Complain to Your Boss ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_complain_to_your_boss.htm

§          “Trust & Betrayal at Work” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/trust%20and%20betrayal%20at%20work.htm

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My Co-Worker Always Copies My Boss!


 

Q:  I have a coworker who copies my boss on every e-mail that she sends me.  I can’t imagine why she does this.  On my own emails, I copy only people who actually need the information,  What do you think is going on here?  Annoyed

 

A:  Because everyone is swamped with email these days, people who overuse the “cc” line risk aggravating those that they hope to inform.  Managers should only be copied when there is a specific benefit to be gained.

 

Here are some legitimate reasons for copying higher-ups: to provide necessary updates on projects or problems, to offer an opportunity for comment before action is taken, or to escalate an issue to the next level. 

 

Lacking psychic abilities, I can’t divine your coworker’s true intentions.  She might simply be naïve about proper email etiquette.  She may have paranoid tendencies that drive her to document her every move.  Perhaps she hopes to impress your boss or get you in trouble. 

 

By observing her other behaviors, you should be able to determine whether her motives are self-serving, sinister, or silly.  

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

“Playing Political Games, Part 1 ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_games,_part_1.htm

“Dealing with Enemies & Adversaries” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/enemies_&_adversaries.htm  

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My Co-Workers are Spying on Me!


Q:  In my new job, I share an office with three people.  My desk is positioned so that the gentleman behind me has a full view of everything I do.  He also happens to be the younger brother of one of the owners.

 

On my seventh day of work, the human resources manager warned me about the amount of time I spent making personal calls and using the Internet.  My office mates apparently tattled to her about this, so I already have a black mark next to my name.

 

Now I make no more than two three-minute calls per day, and I’m controlling my urge to go online.  But the brother who sits behind me still watches me constantly. 

 

My three coworkers instant message each other all day, and sometimes the messages are about me.  Because I’m a sensitive person, this is starting to affect my work.  I can’t even stand to look at these people. 

 

When I started this job, I was at an extreme high, but now I’m at an extreme low.  My coworkers behave like children and watch me like a hawk.  Should I act like I don’t care or try to kill them with kindness?  How do I handle this? 

 

A:  The most salient fact here is that you are a newcomer in a well-established group.  You have no track record with these people.  To succeed, you must demonstrate that you can be a friendly and productive colleague. 

 

Goofing off during your first week was a bad way to start.  You are paid to produce results, not surf the net or chat on the phone.  So you immediately screwed up your chance to make a good first impression. 

 

To recover, you must do your best work, act pleasant and helpful, and control your emotions.  If you are tired of your coworkers’ childish behavior, then you should set an adult example.  Adults maintain good working relationships, even with people they don’t like.

 

You particularly need to get along with the guy peering over your shoulder.  Why?  Because he’s related to an owner and could probably get you fired.  This may not be fair, but family almost always trumps fairness.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§                      “Playing Power Games ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_games,_part_1.htm

§                      “Dealing with Enemies & Adversaries” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/enemies_&_adversaries.htm

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My Co-Worker’s Belching Drives Me Nuts!


 

Q:  I sit in a cluster of cubicles with four other people.  The person beside me belches repeatedly throughout the day.  I've tried wearing headphones to drown him out, but it doesn't always work. 

 

My other coworkers say they also hear him and that this has been brought to his attention before.  I mentioned it to my manager, but she didn’t do anything.  I may have to talk to the guy myself, because I can't take it anymore.  What should I do?

 

A:  Your burping colleague may have little control over this physiological response.  Unlike those who talk loudly or bathe infrequently, people who belch, sniff, or cough often have underlying physical problems.  He might be able to turn down the volume, though.

 

If you’re willing to risk an indignant reaction, you can make this request directly: “I know this may sound silly, but I get very distracted by noise, and I often hear a lot of belching from your cubicle.  If you’re able to do that more quietly, I would really appreciate it.”

 

Should this conversation fail to squelch the belch, enlist the support of your fellow cube dwellers.  Go as a group to your manager and ask her to encourage the burper to exert more self control. 

 

Another alternative is to distance yourself by swapping cubicles with a coworker who is less disturbed by bodily sounds.  Some people are completely oblivious to the background noise that others find maddening. 

 

If all else fails, invest in a better set of headphones, resign yourself to the inevitable, and try to muster a little sympathy for someone with such a socially unacceptable habit. 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Quick Quiz: Do You Annoy Your Coworkers? ” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/do_you_annoy.htm

§           “Giving Effective Feedback” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

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I Don't Trust My Co-Worker


Q:  I’m not sure whether to trust one of my coworkers.  When dealing with me, “Amy” acts helpful and considerate, provides useful information, and makes friendly, encouraging comments.  She seems like a good team player and loyal employee.

 

However, Amy obviously wants to climb the corporate ladder.  Although there’s nothing wrong with that, other coworkers say they have been backstabbed by her in the past.  She shows off her knowledge, points out others’ mistakes, and makes a big deal of her workload. 

 

This self-promotion seems to have worked, because Amy has the trust and confidence of management.  Apparently, her antagonistic side is seen only by her peers.  When working with such a skillful manipulator, how do you avoid being hurt by her tactics, especially when management thinks so highly of her? 

 

A:  You have found Amy to be pleasant and helpful, so you should respond in kind.  Maintaining a good working relationship is important, especially since she has influence with management. 

 

Your coworkers may be correct about Amy’s motives or they may just be jealous.  But given their warnings, you need to be cautious.  Don’t talk too freely with her or share information that could come back to haunt you.  To avoid backstabbing, get to know the managers yourself, so that they have a first-hand opinion of you.

 

If you are also gazing wistfully up the corporate ladder, see what you can learn from Amy’s success.  To be promoted, you must impress the higher-ups, and Amy seems to have cracked that code.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

“Dealing with Enemies & Adversaries” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/enemies_&_adversaries.htm  

“How to Impress High-Level Managers” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_impress_high-level_managers.htm

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I’m Never Invited to my Co-Worker’s Parties


Q:  My coworker is always telling me about the parties she hosts and all the coworkers who attend.  Recently, she showed me a document she made that turned out to be an invitation to another party.  This hurts my feelings, because I’m never invited.  I don't know how to handle this.  Any advice? 

 

A:  Your coworker is either deliberately unkind or dreadfully insensitive.  To shed light on her motives, ask yourself a few questions.  Is there any logical reason why you don’t fit into this social group, like being in a different job or department?  Are you the only uninvited person or are others also left off the guest list?  Is this coworker angry with you for some reason?

 

Several strategies are available for addressing the situation.  The simplest is to stop engaging in these conversations.  When the social butterfly mentions a party, just smile and say “that’s great, but I have to get back to work”.  Then return to your tasks. 

 

Another possibility is the direct approach.  Tell your colleague that it hurts your feelings to hear about parties from which you are excluded.  Ask why she keeps telling you about them.

 

Or you might stop waiting to be invited and organize a social event of your own.  Then you can determine whether or not to invite the party girl.

 

Finally, remember that these parties are only important because you choose to make them so.  Once you decide that this ill-mannered person and her activities really don’t matter, your resentment may disappear. 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

“Trust & Betrayal at Work” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/trust%20and%20betrayal%20at%20work.htm

 “Giving Effective Feedback” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

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The “Gang of Guys” is Trying to Sabotage Me


Q:  I was asked to take over a very difficult position for which I had no background or training.  My manager felt that I could do the job because I learn quickly and am good at solving problems.  Since then, I have resolved a number of longstanding issues, and my boss is pleased with my work.

 

My problem is that a group of guys who have been here a long time are challenging me on every little thing.  They fail to respond to my requests, withhold information that I need, and twist my words to make me look bad.  My male predecessor left because of their behavior, so I guess it’s not just because I’m a woman.

 

These guys really want me to fail and are doing everything possible to make that happen.  I’ve tried making peace by offering to help with their work, but that has only made things worse.  I think they see my olive branch as a sign of weakness. 

 

Lately, our two managers have decided that all communication between me and the group should go through them.  This worries me, because I don't think it should be that way.  Any suggestions? 

 

A:  Past success has taught your adversaries that sabotage can work, so they’re trying it again.  If the managers are aware of this history, they may be controlling communication in order to short-circuit these guerilla tactics.

 

Since your colleagues have refused to cooperate willingly, you do need management support.  Be sure your boss understands the business problems created by this oppositional behavior.  And try to develop a good relationship with the manager of the grouchy guys.  Against opponents like this, your best ammunition is a strong connection to their boss.

 

If gender wars seem to be part of the equation, try toughening up your communication style.  Guys operating in macho mode view collaboration as weakness, so peacemaking may be counterproductive.  Being straightforward, direct, and persistent is more likely to produce results with your testosterone-laden coworkers.  

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

“Political Pitfalls for Men  & Women” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_pitfalls.htm

“Dealing with Enemies & Adversaries” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/enemies_&_adversaries.htm

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My Co-Worker Hasn't Spoken in Six Weeks!


Q:  About six weeks ago, my co-worker stopped speaking to me.  She socializes with everyone else, but does not acknowledge me at all.  When she has to communicate about work, she sends me an email.  I've asked her twice if there’s a problem, but she says no. 

 

Prior to this behavior change, she was in my office every day, talking and joking non-stop.  She did this once before about two years ago.  How do I handle her attitude shift? 

 

A:  Your childish colleague provides a classic example of passive-aggressive behavior.  Passive-aggressive types are deeply afraid of conflict.  Because direct communication scares them, they send “messages” to convey their anger.  Not speaking is a common tactic. 

 

Despite their nonverbal expressions of hostility and resentment, these petulant people steadfastly maintain that nothing is wrong, thereby making it impossible to discuss the problem.  The result of this silly game is that the relationship deteriorates while the underlying issue remains unresolved. 

 

Your only hope of progress lies in refusing to play the game.  Instead of pleading for an explanation, indicate that you know there’s a problem:  “I can tell you’re upset with me, and I have no idea why.  I’d like to see if we can resolve the issue.  When could we find some time to talk?” 

 

If she takes you up on this offer, then you’ve ended the game.  But if she still insists that all is well, accept this as the truth:  “I’m so glad to hear that.  For some reason I thought you were mad at me.” 

 

Then, since she says nothing is wrong, you must act like nothing is wrong.  Smile, be friendly, and continue talking about work issues.  After awhile, she will probably return to normal conversation.  But if not, then she’s too dysfunctional to worry about.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

“Trust & Betrayal at Work” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/trustandbetrayalatwork.htm

 

“Conflict Management Skills” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/conflict_management_skills.htm

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My Co-Worker Keeps Criticizing Me!


 

Q:  I have worked for a housepainter for 15 months.  I am 47 and have been painting for six years.   I like the owner of the business, but the problem is “Joe”, my coworker and foreman, who criticizes me constantly.  He is 34 and has worked here for five years. 

 

I almost quit a few months ago because of all the criticism.  When I met with the owner, he convinced me to stay, even though Joe said I wasn’t a very good painter. 

 

I’m the kind of person who needs to be complimented or at least told that I am appreciated.  Joe never praises my work, and when he points out problems, he does it in a judgmental style.  He just thinks he’s God’s gift to painting. 

 

Now I feel like I’m ready to quit again.  Should I go back to the owner and tell him how unhappy I am?  Do I confront my coworker?  Or just keep quiet and look for another job?  I refuse to have this guy tell me how to paint any more. 

 

A:  I believe a dose of reality is called for here.  You can talk all you want about requiring compliments and refusing criticism, but for now you are stuck with your painting partner.   And if you quit without another job, you’re the only one who suffers.

 

Complaining to management again might be hazardous, since you’ve already had that conversation once.  By encouraging you to stay, the owner showed that he does value your work.  If you go back with more complaints, you risk looking like an overly sensitive whiner.

 

Despite being younger, Joe is the foreman, so supervising your work is part of his job.  Confronting him could be viewed as insubordinate.  And besides, nothing you say is likely to change him.  So you are left with two options: either adapt or find a work environment better suited to your personality.

 

If you decide to stick it out, try to control your emotional reactions and ignore Joe’s fault-finding.  By allowing this guy to push your buttons, you actually grant him a lot of power.  But if you keep your cool, then his derisive comments just become background noise.  

 

Although people like Joe appear arrogant, they are actually kind of pathetic.  Their haughty behavior masks a strong sense of inadequacy.  They put down others in order to feel better about themselves.  So when Joe points out flaws, simply smile, keep painting, and quietly remind yourself that you are the more mature person.  Then be sure to act that way. 

 

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Should I Trust my Ambitious Co-Worker?


Q:  I’m not sure whether to trust one of my coworkers.  When dealing with me, “Amy” acts helpful and considerate, provides useful information, and makes friendly, encouraging comments.  She seems like a good team player and loyal employee.

 

However, Amy obviously wants to climb the corporate ladder.  Although there’s nothing wrong with that, other coworkers say they have been backstabbed by her in the past.  She shows off her knowledge, points out others’ mistakes, and makes a big deal of her workload. 

 

This self-promotion seems to have worked, because Amy has the trust and confidence of management.  Apparently, her antagonistic side is seen only by her peers.  When working with such a skillful manipulator, how do you avoid being hurt by her tactics, especially when management thinks so highly of her?

 

A:  You have found Amy to be pleasant and helpful, so you should respond in kind.  Maintaining a good working relationship is important, especially since she has influence with management. 

 

Your coworkers may be correct about Amy’s motives or they may just be jealous.  But given their warnings, you need to be cautious.  Don’t talk too freely with her or share information that could come back to haunt you.  To avoid backstabbing, get to know the managers yourself, so that they have a first-hand opinion of you.

 

If you are also gazing wistfully up the corporate ladder, see what you can learn from Amy’s success.  To be promoted, you must impress the higher-ups, and Amy seems to have cracked that code.

 

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My Co-Workers are Trying to Sabotage Me


Q:  I was asked to take over a very difficult position for which I had no background or training.  My manager felt that I could do the job because I learn quickly and am good at solving problems.  Since then, I have resolved a number of longstanding issues, and my boss is pleased with my work.

 

My problem is that a group of guys who have been here a long time are challenging me on every little thing.  They fail to respond to my requests, withhold information that I need, and twist my words to make me look bad.  My male predecessor left because of their behavior, so I guess it’s not just because I’m a woman.

 

These guys really want me to fail and are doing everything possible to make that happen.  I’ve tried making peace by offering to help with their work, but that has only made things worse.  I think they see my olive branch as a sign of weakness. 

 

Lately, our two managers have decided that all communication between me and the group should go through them.  This worries me, because I don't think it should be that way.  Any suggestions? 

 

A:  Past success has taught your adversaries that sabotage can work, so they’re trying it again.  If the managers are aware of this history, they may be controlling communication in order to short-circuit these guerilla tactics.

 

Since your colleagues have refused to cooperate willingly, you do need management support.  Be sure your boss understands the business problems created by this oppositional behavior.  And try to develop a good relationship with the manager of the grouchy guys.  Against opponents like this, your best ammunition is a strong connection to their boss.

 

If gender wars seem to be part of the equation, try toughening up your communication style.  Guys operating in macho mode view collaboration as weakness, so peacemaking may be counterproductive.  Being straightforward, direct, and persistent is more likely to produce results with your testosterone-laden coworkers.  

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Political Pitfalls for Men & Women” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_pitfalls.htm

§           “Dealing with Enemies & Adversaries” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/enemies_&_adversaries.htm

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My Co-Worker Sleeps on the Job


Q:  I am a part-time horticulturist in a large hotel.  My job is to keep all the inside plants clean, watered, and disease free.  I work all night on the graveyard shift with another co-worker who does the same job full time.  He also goes to school and has two part-time jobs. 

 

The problem is that my coworker uses this night shift position to sleep, so I have to work twice as hard.  Our boss is not here at night, so he thinks this person is just the greatest.  I don't want to be a snitch, and I don't know if I would be believed anyway.  What should I do?

 

A:  First, ask your manager to clearly differentiate the duties of these two jobs.  Explain that the work can be done more efficiently if you each have distinct responsibilities or a specific territory to cover.

 

Then you must do only your own job.  If you stop covering for the sleepyhead, your boss will eventually notice the dry, dusty foliage in his area.

 

Your other option is to make an appointment with Human Resources and describe the problem just as you have here.  Action is quite likely to follow, since hotel management is not paying people to snooze.

 

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I Work With a Malicious Suck-up


Q:  One of my coworkers always sucks up to management.  Our boss is so fond of him that people refer to them as “mother and son”.  This guy is not very competent and always blames others for his mistakes.  When some staff members complained about him, he told our “motherly” manager that I had turned everyone against him.  She believed his story and refused to listen to any other explanation. 

 

The manager used to give me special assignments, but now I get only routine tasks.  I have gathered evidence that she wants to harm my career and may even be planning to lay me off.  I’m very worried about having to find another job.  Should I talk with her and explain that I am not the kind of person described by my suck-up coworker? 

 

A:  Talking with your boss is a good idea, but only if you focus on the future, not the past.  Complaining about the “son” will just lead to an argument, since she’s incapable of seeing him objectively. 

 

Your goal is to improve your own relationship with the boss, not sabotage your smarmy colleague.  Her fondness for him is irrelevant as long as she thinks well of you.  So don’t even mention the little weasel.  If she brings him up, find something positive to say. 

 

Ask your manager to help you create a plan for developing your skills or expanding your knowledge.  Express appreciation for previous assignments and ask how you might contribute to such projects in the future.  Pay attention to any feedback she offers and agree to make appropriate changes.  You need to be seen as a helpful, cooperative employee. 

 

If your boss refuses to participate in this discussion, you may want to begin working on a job change strategy.  Although you may never have to implement it, at least you’ll be prepared should your worst fears come to pass. . 

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I Work with a Bully!


Q:  I have a co-worker who constantly tries to bully me.  She will physically hover over me, back me up to my desk, or crowd me against the wall.   When I asked her to hold the door because my arms were full of packages, she let the door shut in my face and laughed about it.

 

She lies all the time.  And no matter what I say, she will contradict me.  If I say it’s raining, she will reply that it's not really raining yet or that it's stopped raining now.  She has treated others like this in the past, so I think I'm just fresh meat to her.  

 

I've tried ignoring this woman, avoiding being in close spaces with her, and even not going though doors when she's around.  I want to deprive her of the sick thrill of annoying me, but I can't always avoid her.  What can I do? 

 

A:  Your intimidating colleague is more than annoying.  She sounds emotionally disturbed.  So where the heck is your boss?  And your HR manager?  Someone needs to put an end to this reign of terror.

 

Since you are not the first person to be persecuted by this bully, you should band with previous victims and take the problem to management.  Group action will enhance your credibility and increase the odds that the issue will be addressed.

 

Meanwhile, continue to keep your distance and minimize interaction.  Do not respond to her contradictory remarks, ignore the lies unless they are about you, and never ask her to hold a door or assist you in any way.  Observe how others deal with her and emulate behaviors that seem to work.

 

When you must be around her, don’t be a wimp.  Submissiveness only encourages aggressive people to become more aggressive.  So never let her see that she disturbs you.

 

If she physically crowds you, stand your ground and don’t retreat.  Should she persist, tell her to move back.  You might even take a step in her direction.  But don’t touch her, because that could escalate into a physical altercation.

 

If you refuse to be intimidated, your tormentor will eventually seek out more timid prey.  But going to management should be your first strategy, because this woman really does appear to be somewhat off balance.

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Killing Off Your Energy Leeches” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/killing_off_your_energy_leeches.htm  

§          “Thirteen Signs of a Toxic Workplace” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/toxic_workplace.htm  

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My Co-Worker Constantly Talks About Herself


Q.  We have a lady in our office whose only topic of conversation is herself.  She talks constantly about her aches and pains, her house, her financial situation, her family problems, and her pets. 

 

She doesn't even watch the news, so she knows nothing about current events.  If you start to say something about what you did over the weekend, she always turns the conversation back to her troubles. 

 

I’ve got my own problems, but I have to listen to hers for as much as an hour at a time.  Some days I just want to scream.  Many people in the office feel the same way and are starting to avoid her.  She is our boss’s assistant, so no one wants to complain.  Any advice? 

 

A.  The true source of your problem lies in the phrase “I have to listen”.  No, you do not.  You’re allowing yourself to be trapped by a self-centered, narcissistic chatterbox.  She may enjoy regaling you with her tales of woe, but you really don’t have to keep listening. 

 

By giving this woman your attention, you are rewarding her behavior.  And any behavior that is rewarded will continue.  If you’ve been suffering in silence, she may actually believe you’re interested. 

 

To turn off this continuous monologue, you don’t have to be rude.  Just smile regretfully and say, “I wish I had time to chat, but I really have to get back to work.”  Then turn to your computer or start reading some documents.  Make this your mantra and eventually she’ll get the message.

 

You might also consider joining the ranks of those who avoid her.  Unless you are tethered to this blabbermouth by your tasks, you have no obligation to spend time in her presence. 

 

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I Foolishly Flirted with my New Co-Worker


Q.  When a new guy joined our department last year, there was a definite attraction between the two of us.  But after we had a disagreement about work, he became very cautious around me. 

 

Recently, we had to travel together on some three-day trips, and I was quite apprehensive about how things would go.  Although the work went fine, I found myself acting like a silly school girl and trying to sit closer to him whenever we were together.  He was also sitting close, but seemed very controlled about what he said to me. 

 

Now that we are back at the office, I feel stupid about my childish actions.  I sent him an email to say that I enjoyed his company and hope he did not object to my behavior.  But instead of feeling better, I now feel worse than ever.  Please help me salvage this working relationship, because we have to spend a lot of time together.   

 

A.  I don’t know how far this “attraction” went, but at this point you need to let it go.  Your coworker is clearly signaling that the relationship has changed, so forget your past flirtation and focus on the job.

 

When you’re around your former heartthrob, simply act as you would with any other male business associate.  Don’t become playfully flirtatious or talk about previous romantic encounters.  If you continue to behave like a mature and businesslike colleague, the whole episode will eventually recede into the past. 

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My Co-Workers Accuse Me of Flirting


 

Q:  People at work seem to think that I’m a flirt.  My husband and I are happily married, and in my own mind I’m not flirting with anyone.  I’m just a naturally friendly person who likes people.  But I know that in reality it doesn't matter what I think I’m doing if other people think I’m flirting.  Do you have any advice about behavior to watch out for? 

 

A:  Some women flirt to get attention.  Others find flirting to be a useful strategy for getting things they want.  And gregarious and sociable types may simply appear to be flirting.  But regardless of the cause, flirtatious behavior can produce unintended consequences, ranging from unwelcome invitations to stalking.

 

To determine whether your friendly actions qualify as flirting, apply this simple test: do you communicate with men exactly the same way that you communicate with women?  If you smile, laugh, and flip your hair when talking with the guys, but adopt a more businesslike attitude with female colleagues, then that’s a pretty good clue. 

 

For a more objective assessment, ask some trusted friends or coworkers for feedback.  If you are sending unintended messages, they will undoubtedly be able to describe the problem behaviors in detail. 

 

To change these perceptions, you must interact with men and women in the same way.  Try to eliminate any verbal or nonverbal behaviors that might be viewed as a come-on.  But don’t lose your outgoing personality, because friendliness is a great asset in all working relationships.  Marie McIntyre

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Dangerous Workplace Romances” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/romance_at_work.htm  

§          “Political Pitfalls for Men & Women” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_pitfalls.htm   

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Should we make Mr. Bighead employee-of-the-month?


 

Q:  Every month, our company asks each work team to select one member as most outstanding.  That person gets to use a choice parking space for several weeks.  One of my coworkers keeps complaining that we never choose him, but the reason is that he annoys everyone with his huge ego.  Another colleague suggested that maybe we should just go ahead and nominate him to shut him up.  The rest of us feel that this would cause his big head to become even more inflated.  What do you think?  

 

A:  I’m with you.  Your self-centered coworker should not receive recognition that he doesn’t deserve, especially since he seems to be campaigning for it.  

Making him team-member-of-the-month will only encourage his aggravating behavior.  And management will get the message that you think he’s a helpful colleague, when the reverse is actually true.  So give the reward to a more worthy candidate. 

 

However, you might consider having a supervisor or tactful team member tell Mr. Big-Head why he’s never selected.  He may not be aware that his self-promoting behavior turns everyone off.  Marie McIntyre

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Helpful Skills for Team Members” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/helpful_skills.htm

§          “What Role Do You Take on a Team?” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/what_role.htm  

 

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My Co-Worker Doesn’t Speak


 

Q:  I have a co-worker who never says "Good morning".  She claims she is not a morning person, but I think it’s just a sorry excuse for bad behavior.  I am tired of initiating the morning conversations and just plain tired of her "I'm better than you" personality.  What should I do?

 

A:  Sorry to sound unsympathetic, but I think you’re making way too much of this.  If this coworker prefers not to talk, then don’t talk to her.  When you see her in the morning, just smile and walk on by.

 

Some people are more friendly and outgoing than others.  You appear to be someone who likes to speak to people, and your coworker appears to be someone who is more quiet and reserved.  

 

This may not mean that she thinks she’s better than you.  It may just mean that she likes to be quiet.  In fact, it actually sounds as though you think you’re better than she is because you speak to people. 

 

Since you know she’s not going to respond, why bother to initiate a conversation?  And if you continue to let her silence irritate you, that says more about you than it does about her. 

 

If this is the biggest problem you have at work, then you’re pretty lucky.   Marie McIntyre

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

?          “How to Deal with Childish Adults” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_deal_with_childish_adults.htm

?         “Do You Annoy Your Coworkers?” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/do_you_annoy.htm

 

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My Colleague Keeps Yelling at Me


 

Q:  I work with a woman who yells at me when she’s angry and seems incapable of discussing anything calmly.  It’s like she has an on-and-off switch for yelling.  She is all sweetness and light to the managers, but very immature and unprofessional with me.  I don't trust her and feel sure that she bad-mouths me to our mutual boss. 

 

How do I handle her so that her behavior becomes more professional and mature?  And how do I thwart her attempts at sabotage?  Also, it appears that our manager may be leaving the company.  Senior management has talked to me about taking over the manager role should that happen.

 

 

A:  If you have been approached about a promotion, you must be handling this situation pretty well.  Or at least management thinks so.  Should you become the screamer’s boss, then you will have the leverage to address her performance problems.  At the moment, however, you can only deal with her as a colleague. 

 

When people throw tantrums, the problem can be approached either directly or indirectly.  The indirect strategy requires that you not react to her childish behavior.  Until she calms down, you don’t respond at all.  Or you say “Perhaps we should talk about this when you’re feeling less upset.”  And then leave immediately. 

 

To take a more direct approach, do not blame or criticize.  Instead, tell her how this behavior affects you and how you plan to deal with it from now on.  For example: “You know, I don’t respond well to yelling, so in the future, when you get angry, I’m going to have to leave.  We can talk later when we are both calm.”  Then whenever she starts screeching, go somewhere else.

 

If you believe that this coworker is maliciously spreading lies or rumors, then by all means set the record straight.  Ask your manager about the things that concern you, then provide accurate information to everyone involved. 

 

If you have a helpful boss, you might also ask for advice:  “Mary seems to get upset very easily.  She goes from zero to angry in about ten seconds.  What do you think I could do to improve my working relationship with her?”  Even if your manager has no suggestions, you will have conveyed that Mary is a problem without sounding like a whiner yourself.  Marie McIntyre

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “How to Deal with Childish Adults” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_deal_with_childish_adults.htm

§          “Do You Annoy Your Coworkers?” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/do_you_annoy.htm

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Should I report my coworker to the boss?


 

Q:  A woman in our office takes extended lunches.  She’ll be gone for an hour at lunchtime, then come back and heat up food to eat at her desk.  She also makes a lot of personal calls.  My boss does not like confrontation, but he always wants me to talk with him about any issues I may have.  Should I tell my manager what this coworker is doing? 

 

A:  Managers want to resolve work problems, not referee employee squabbles.  So if you go to your boss, you must do so in the right spirit.  The spirit we’re looking for is “concern for the business”, not “she doesn’t work as hard as I do”. 

 

Consider whether your colleague’s behavior is adversely affecting office effectiveness.  Does eating at her desk present a bad image to customers?  Does she tie up the phones so people can’t get through?  Do others have to answer her calls while she’s chatting up her friends? 

 

To avoid sounding like a tattletale, talk to your boss about the business issues:  “I think we may have a potential customer problem.  Mindy seems to be on the phone a lot with personal matters, so the rest of us are taking her calls.  When all the lines are busy, more customers go to voice mail, and I’m afraid they’re going to start complaining.” 

 

Once you’ve informed your manager about the situation, he can decide whether or not he wants to address it.  If he chooses to ignore your coworker’s behavior, then you need to let it go and focus on your own work.  When a situation is out of your control, continuing to fret about it is just a waste of emotional energy.

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§          “Giving Effective Feedback” at   http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm  

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My Co-Worker Attacked My Character


Q.  One of my coworkers recently told me that I am controlling the entire office.  She says that she should be the lead worker even though our positions are the same.  In the heat of her frustration, she also said that I treat her like crap and act like a bitch.  How do I handle this situation?

 

A.  The short answer is that you need to ignore her as much as possible and focus on your work.  By “ignore”, I don't mean stop speaking to her.  Just don’t react to her hurtful and unproductive comments.  Remain businesslike, be pleasant and professional, and never respond in kind.  In short, be the adult in this situation. 

 

But here’s the longer answer: you also need to take a long, hard look in the mirror to see if her comments might have some validity.  Although she’s expressing herself in an angry, childish manner, this coworker is offering you some feedback.  So you might as well see if there is anything to be learned from it. 

 

Here are some questions to consider:  Do you have a tendency to tell others what to do?  Do you correct their work even though you’re not their boss?  Do you ever act like the “office police” with regard to rules or policies?  If you answer “yes” – or even “maybe” – to any of these questions, then you may want to make some changes.  And if you’re not sure, solicit feedback from your other colleagues.

 

One final word of advice: unless things really get out of control, don't go to your boss about this office bickering.  Managers hate dealing with little squabbles between coworkers and really appreciate employees who resolve matters on their own.   Marie McIntyre

 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§           “How to Deal with Childish Adults” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/how_to_deal_with_childish_adults.htm

§            “Political Pitfalls for Men and Women” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/political_pitfalls.htm

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I’m Not Part of the Team


Q.  I’m having trouble with the people on my team.  I just want to focus on my work, but my coworkers like to laugh and chat and gossip all the time.  They tease people and call them names for fun, but I don’t think the names they call me are very funny.  I would like to stand up for myself, but I have to be careful about what I say.  I’m thinking about asking my boss to move me to another team.  I don't know those people very well, but it seems quieter there.  He thinks we are one big happy group, so I’m not sure what reason to give him.  Do you think I should move or just live with it?

 

A.  From your description, I’m not sure whether your coworkers are trying to be mean or simply have a rowdy sense of humor.  If their name-calling includes offensive terms, such as racial or ethnic slurs, then that’s completely inappropriate.  But if they just like to give people nicknames, then they may be treating you as one of the group. 

 

I don’t know enough to say whether or not you should change teams.  But you do need to learn more about the other group before asking to switch.  You want to be sure that the new situation will really be better. 

 

If you do ask to move, try not to complain about your coworkers unless they are doing something truly inappropriate.  Since your boss views this as a happy team, you don’t want him to decide that you may be a problem.  So it will be better if you have a business reason for requesting the change. 

 

Possible business reasons might include a better use of your skills or making a good career move.  Or you could simply say that being in a quieter location will help concentrate on work. 

 

If you decide to stay put, however, try to improve your relationship with your team members.  Unless they intend to be cruel, they may have no idea that they are hurting your feelings.  So you need to either let them know or learn to adjust to their joking, chatty work style. 

 

This is an important decision, so you are smart to carefully consider your options.  I hope that whatever you decide works well for you.  Marie McIntyre

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§           “Understanding Work Style Differences” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/work_style_differences.htm

§          “Giving Effective Feedback” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

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How do I get coworkers to stop smoking?


 

Q:  I don't smoke, but three other people in my office do, including my boss.  He smokes outside, but the other two do not.   As soon he is not looking, they light up.  I have asked my boss to tell them to smoke outside like he does, but he hates confrontations and never says anything.  In my state, smoking inside a business is against the law.  How can I take care of this problem without getting my boss in trouble?  

 

A:  Too bad that people don’t automatically obey the law, isn’t it?  The fact that your boss smokes outside at least shows that he does understand the problem, although he isn't helping to solve it.  Unfortunately, I don’t have a magic solution, but here are a couple of suggestions.

 

Since your boss avoids confrontation, you might suggest a non-confrontational strategy.  Instead of asking him to crack down on your coworkers, see if he will call a meeting where all of you can agree on a smoking policy.  Point out that you have three concerns: (1) your own health as a non-smoker, (2)  the fact that the business could get in legal trouble, and (3) the problems that might arise if customers or higher level managers see people smoking in the building.  If your boss agrees to the meeting, then come prepared with some specific suggestions.

 

However, if your boss is no help at all, then you must deal directly with your coworkers.  Instead of getting angry, present your concerns and ask for their cooperation.  Here’s an example: “I know that everyone else here smokes and I don’t, and I know that I can’t tell anyone else what to do.  But I’d like to ask you a favor.  I really do worry about breathing second-hand smoke, so I would appreciate it if you could smoke somewhere else when I’m around.”  When you can’t tell people what to do, politely asking for their help will sometimes work.

 

Of course, your coworkers may continue to be jerks and your boss may continue to be a wimp.  In that case, you have three choices: 1) just go along and try to stay as far away from the smoke as possible, 2) call in the “smoking police” and report them for breaking the law (which might endanger your job), or 3) try to find work with a more law-abiding group.  This isn't a particularly pleasant set of choices, so I hope you are able to work out a cooperative solution.  Marie McIntyre 

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§           “Giving Effective Feedback” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm  

§          “Conflict Management Skills” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/conflict_management_skills.htm

 

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How Do You Stop Singing Co-Workers?



Q: How do you get coworkers to stop singing in their cubicles? This is a professional office and singing just doesn’t seem very appropriate. Besides, the noise is driving me nuts!


A. Well, you could send them off to American Idol auditions. But darn it, those are already over. So I guess we’ll have to look for another solution.

Your singing colleagues probably don’t mean to be annoying – they’re just being themselves. Some people enjoy background noise and chatter, while others find it terribly distracting. When these two types work together, they often irritate each other.

To resolve the matter, someone obviously has to talk to the songbirds. The logical nominees for this honor would be either you or their manager. If you choose the do-it-yourself option, bring up the subject in a pleasant, friendly manner – not with anger or frustration. A communication technique called “I-statements” can help to set a positive tone.

With an I-statement, your goal is not to criticize the other person, but to describe the problem you are having. Here’s an example for this situation: “I have a favor to ask. I have a hard time concentrating when there’s background noise, and even though your singing is very cheerful, it’s distracting for me. I would appreciate it if the singing could be limited to break times.”

If the idea of a direct conversation makes you feel queasy, then ask the manager for help. Describe how the singing affects your own work and mention any other business concerns – for example, the impression that might be made on customers or other visitors to the office. Make this a problem-solving conversation, not a gripe session.

With the proper approach, you may be able to curtail the singing, but don’t expect complete silence. If your colleagues are chatterboxes by nature, singing may be replaced with talking. And if you are naturally quiet, that may continue to annoy you. With luck, though, you might at least reduce the volume.

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:
“Giving Effective Feedback” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm
 

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Tired of a Tardy Co-Worker

 

Q:  I have a co-worker who takes advantage of a nice boss who is not a micro-manager.  “Bob” regularly comes in quite late, so the rest of us answer his phone.  Recently, one of his callers had a problem that I couldn’t solve, so I asked the boss when Bob would be coming in.  Now Bob’s giving me the silent treatment, so I assume the boss said something to him.  We used to be friendly, but now we avoid each other.  Should I ask Bob why he isn’t talking to me?

 

A:  Let’s be clear about one thing.  Bob is not the only problem here.  Your “nice boss who is not a micromanager” is also at fault.  By failing to address this ongoing performance issue, he is completely wimping out on his management responsibilities.  So he may be a nice person, but he is not a good manager.

 

Secondly, you and your coworkers are totally reinforcing Bob’s bad behavior.  If you continue to answer his calls, why on earth do you expect him to change?  He gets to sleep late, have an extra cup of coffee, then come in to find that his work is being nicely taken care of.  This seems to be working quite well for him.  So stop doing his job when he’s not there! 

 

Instead of asking Bob why he’s shunning you, get the whole group to meet with him about the difficulties created by his tardiness.  Keep in mind that he may be unaware of the problem, since no one has previously said anything about it.  So politely educate him about what happens when he is late and let him know that you are tired of doing his work.  There’s strength in numbers, so if everyone participates, Bob can’t get mad at any one person. 

 

If this fails to do the trick, then go as a group to your nice manager.  Or you could all just agree to start coming in at the same time as Bob.  That should get the message across to your boss!

 

One final word: should you fail to address the situation, then you should never again complain about Bob.  If you’re afraid to discuss the problem, then you’re choosing to live with it.  And that would be your fault, not Bob’s.   Marie McIntyre

 

Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§           “Giving Effective Feedback” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

§          “Conducting a Coaching Discussion” at http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/conducting_coaching.htm

 

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My Co-Worker Has a Filthy Mouth!

 

Q:  How do you handle a coworker who constantly uses foul language in a professional office?  I’ve hinted to her that I don’t like it, but that did no good.  I talked with her manager and HR, but they seem to be taking it as a "tattletale" situation.  Do I just have to learn to live with the four-letter words? 

 

A:  A constant stream of curses certainly isn’t pleasant for coworkers and, if there are customers around, may also be bad for business.  In fact, 91% of those responding to a recent survey felt that using profanity was the rudest thing to do at work. 

 

However, since you aren’t this person’s boss, you obviously can’t tell her what to do.  And the person who is her boss apparently doesn’t see the situation the same way you do.  So you need a different strategy. 

 

Here’s one possibility: If other colleagues are offended, you might enlist them in drafting some professional standards that include not just language, but all aspects of office behavior (dress, telephone protocol, etc.).  Then make a proposal to management or HR for adopting a “Code of Conduct”.  To sell the idea, stress the need to make a positive impression on customers or visitors.

 

But if you are the only one concerned about this, then you are obviously working with a group whose standards differ from your own.  In that case, your choice may be to live with it or find people with similar values.  Of course, you don’t say what words bother you.  There is a big difference between the occasional “damn” or “hell” and some of the more colorful expletives.

 

Let me also comment on why you may be viewed as a “tattletale”.  Sorry, but I think it’s because that’s actually what you did.  You only “hinted” to your coworker before ratting her out to management.  So you apparently took the coward’s way out and avoided a direct conversation. 

 

If you do decide to approach her directly, don’t attack her, but focus on your own discomfort.  Here’s an example: “I know you may think this is silly, but four-letter words make me very uncomfortable.  They don’t bother everyone, but they really do bother me.  I would greatly appreciate it if you could tone down the language when I’m around.”  This approach may be your only alternative if no one else finds her offensive.  And if you make it a request instead of a criticism, she might just surprise you.   Marie McIntyre

 

 Helpful links related to this topic on Your Office Coach:

§           “Giving Effective Feedback” at  http://yourofficecoach.com/Topics/giving_feedback.htm

 

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Fed Up with an Unappreciative Slacker

 

Q: I work with a very disorganized supervisor.  I am an administrative assistant, and my immediate boss is also this supervisor’s boss.  He is often late with reports and is now two months overdue with his performance evaluations.  I’ve tried to remind him about deadlines, but he usually ignores me.  I’m about ready to stop helping and let him hang himself, but that is not my true nature.  Because I’m very organized, I would be glad to assist him if he would only ask.  My immediate boss is extremely unhappy with him, but I’m not sure the supervisor knows this.  What should I do now?

 

A:  Based on your description, this aggravating guy is not actually interfering with your own work. You just find him annoying and feel that he should be more responsible.  So let me suggest that this is his problem, not yours.  And if he gets in trouble, it will be due to his own incompetence, not your failure to fix him.   

 

You are obviously a very conscientious and organized person, but I’m sure you’ve noticed that many other people are not.  (This often comes as a sad surprise to conscientious people.)  You might as well learn to tolerate these chaotic souls unless they begin to make your own job more difficult. 

 

You say that you are about ready to stop helping him.  Well, okay.  That’s fine.  There is absolutely no reason why you should be doing his work.  You say that you would gladly assist “if he would only ask”, but apparently he hasn’t.  So why stress yourself out over this? 

 

Finally, let me point out that your boss is apparently not taking care of his own management responsibilities.  Holding this guy accountable is part of your manager’s job.  If your boss is unhappy with his work, then he needs to talk to him about it.  I can assure you that this supervisor will never change as long as his boss puts up with his poor performance.  But, of course, that’s not really your problem either. 

 

Your willingness to help is commendable, but you just can’t fix everything.  After all, you’re not paid to be his Mom.  But your boss is paid to be his boss.  Marie McIntyre Ph.D.

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The Good-Looking Ladder Climber

 

Q:  How do you deal with someone who is using her looks to climb the corporate ladder?  This person came into our company with no skills, but keeps getting promoted to the next level.  She is never in a job long enough to learn anything, but she is very good-looking.  How do the rest of us deal with this?

 

A:  If you were hoping I might suggest some clandestine plot to either wreck her career or ruin her looks, I’m definitely going to disappoint you.  The key question is whether her success is adversely affecting your own.  Is she getting jobs that you want?  Does her incompetence interfere with your work?   

 

If the ladder-climbing looker isn’t harming you in any way, then you really need to get over it.  Ideally, promotions should be based on qualifications, but in reality they are subjective decisions that are influenced by many factors, including connections, political pull, familiarity, and, yes, appearance.  Such underserved success simply falls into the category of “life’s not fair”, along with many other aggravating events.  

 

However, if she is interfering with your own success, then you need to ask yourself this question: How can I influence the situation so that I am better able to accomplish my objectives?  Please note that the emphasis here is not on how to sabotage her, but on how to help yourself.  

 

I firmly believe that we only succeed by focusing energy on things that we can control or influence.  Getting all worked up about “unfairness” usually just raises our blood pressure and wastes energy that could be put to better use. 

 

So - if she’s getting jobs that you want, how do you increase your own influence with management so that you will be considered for future promotions?  If her incompetence screws up your work, then how do you enlist your manager’s help without sounding like a complainer or a tattletale?  If, heaven forbid, they make her your boss, then how do you develop a reasonably positive relationship with her?

 

It may be small comfort, but I can almost guarantee that at some point her ineptitude will catch up with her.  And I can definitely guarantee that she will eventually lose her looks!  Marie McIntyre

 

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My New Co-Worker is a Suck-Up

 

Q:  I have been a manager in a small company for 21 years.  I often deal with the CEO, who is an arrogant, intimidating control freak.  He recently hired a guy who is the ultimate kiss-ass and who constantly tries to undermine me.  The CEO believes everything this man tells him, most of which is exaggerated or completely untrue.  How should I handle this?

 

A:  I’m sure it’s frustrating to have to deal with an annoying newcomer after 21 years!  Although your CEO is difficult (as many of them are), you have probably figured out how to work with him, but now this upstart is getting in the way. 

Your first instinct may be to retaliate against your irritating colleague, but that's typically not a good political move.  CEO's hate to deal with employee squabbles and value people who can get along with others, so you need to try to work cooperatively with the newcomer despite your annoyance. 

 

Instead of trying to damage the newcomer, work on strengthening your own relationship with the CEO.  If the newcomer is spreading inaccurate information, then you need to find a time to talk with the CEO and set the record straight.  In these conversations, be careful not to trash your colleague, but to stay focused on solving business problems and achieving business goals. 

You want to be seen as pleasant, cooperative, and helpful.  Instead of saying “Bob is lying to you about these numbers”, say something like “I’m not sure that Bob fully understands how we calculate these numbers.  I’m going to work with him on that, but I wanted to be sure that you had the correct information”.

 

Since you've been there a long time, I wonder if part of the problem is that the newcomer wants to make some changes.  If your CEO is also interested in change, then you need to be open to new ideas and willing to try them.  Your initial response to an idea should be to look for the good points in it, not immediately point out the problems. 

Let’s be honest: after being a loyal employee for 21 years, you might reasonably feel a little jealous and betrayed by the CEO’s interest in this newcomer.  But don’t let those feelings damage your long-term relationship with your boss.  The newcomer may be the “flavor-of-the-month” right now, but the novelty will eventually wear off and he will also have challenges with the CEO.  – Marie McIntyre

 

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The Domineering Co-Worker

 

Q:  How do you deal with a co-worker who has to be the center of attention?  She butts into conversations, turns them around to be about her, and thinks she is right on every topic. Then she wonders why no one wants to be her friend. HELP!

 

A:  Your co-worker sounds like a conversational bully who will keep this up as long as you let her.  I’m guessing that the rest of you are nice, polite people who are intimidated because you are uncomfortable taking charge of the situation. 

 

People like this can only walk over you if you lie down in front of them.  So to change her behavior, you have to change your own.  For example . . . 

  • If she butts in, butt right back.  Don’t allow her to take over.  Calmly say something like “Excuse me, but we need to finish what we were talking about.”  Then immediately return to your prior conversation.

  • When she inappropriately turns the topic around to herself, turn it back.  Listen to her without responding, then change the subject.  It takes two to converse, so if you are completely unresponsive, that’s the end of it. 

  • If she always thinks she’s right, so what?  Unless the issue directly affects you, let her think whatever she likes.  Key point: do not debate her.  That will only add fuel to the fire.  Say something like, “Well, that’s one way to look at it.”  Then talk about something else.

Your co-worker can only become the center of attention if you put her there.  It’s impossible to be the center of attention all by yourself. So stop listening or responding when she’s being obnoxious, but do give her your attention when she’s conversing appropriately.

 

One word of warning: when you withdraw attention, the attention-getting behavior usually increases before it decreases.  Kind of like a little kid having a tantrum to try to get his way.  Your bully may therefore become even more obnoxious for awhile.  But if you stand firm and don’t allow her to take over, your conversations should eventually become more pleasant.    Marie McIntyre

 

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The Tattletale Colleague

Q.  A colleague is always complaining to my boss about my work without talking to me first.  Then I wind up having to defend my position. This colleague is responsible for quality assurance and often tells us that we have to do our work over, even though she has limited knowledge about what we do. This is very subjective and causes a lot of confusion and wasted effort on my team.  My boss is starting to question my ability based on the amount of rework being performed by my group.  Help?  

 

A.  Although your co-worker's behavior is annoying, the fundamental problem here appears to be unclear expectations.  Exactly what are the standards that your group is expected to meet?

 

In any organization, those with monitoring responsibilities have a built-in adversarial relationship with the people whose work they oversee.  When standards are unclear, resentments grow and relationships deteriorate.  So here are some suggestions for getting clear expectations:

  • List specific areas where there have been disagreements about work standards. 

  • Discuss this list with your boss to get his view of expectations. 

  • If your boss agrees that some standards are not clear, suggest that you, your boss, the QA co-worker, and her manager get together to agree on a set of standards for your team’s work.

  • At this meeting, discuss issues and agree on a final list of expectations.  Suggest that when problems are found, the QA co-worker should come directly to you to resolve them.  If the two of you cannot agree, then you will involve the managers.

If this works, put the list of agreed-upon standards and expectations in writing.  Also write down the agreement about how problems will be handled.  (Some of the information on this website under Handling Difficult Conversations might be helpful in managing this discussion.) 

 

And here’s a tip: Separate your feelings about this annoying colleague from the work requirements.  You may not like her, but you are stuck with her as long as you both have these roles, so the two of you need to figure out how to work together.  Bosses hate to deal with co-worker squabbles.  Best of luck – Marie McIntyre

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My Co-Worker Rejects My Ideas

Q: I recently took a job in a small office, and I can see a lot of ways to improve things.  One of my co-workers has worked in this office for 15 years.  She gets very defensive whenever I make a suggestion about how she could do her work more efficiently.  How can I get her to listen to my ideas?

 

A:  Now wait a minute.  Does her attitude really surprise you?  Consider this situation from her point of view: She’s been working successfully in a job for 15 years when a newcomer arrives and tells her that she’s doing things all wrong.  She hardly even knows you, so why should she listen to you? 

 

When you have an idea, your goal is for the other person to hear it and consider it.  This does not happen automatically just because you say it.  Newcomers often have fresh perspectives, but sometimes they aren’t smart about how they present them.  So you need to think about why your suggestions are being rejected. 

 

First of all, you’re focused on what she can learn from you, but have you considered what you can learn from her?  After all, she has a lot of experience in this particular office.  If she feels that you genuinely respect her knowledge, she is much more likely to reciprocate.  Ask her some questions about the work, the customers, the history of the business, or whatever.  Listen to her answers.

 

Second, be sure that your helpful suggestions do not come across as personal criticism.  Saying “You could do that much more efficiently” sounds as though she needs improvement.  But saying “I think that we could make the billing process more efficient” puts the focus on the work.  After you present an idea, ask for her opinion and discuss different options.  Your goal should be to have a mutual problem-solving discussion, not to get her to do it your way. 

 

Third, consider whether you may be overstepping your boundaries.  Is the way that she does her job affecting your own work?  If not, then perhaps you should just let it go for now.  

 

Finally, don’t hog the credit.  Credit-grabbers are always despised by their colleagues.  Work with your colleague to develop a plan for improvements, then present it to your boss together.  Since you’re the new person, your manager will probably realize that you initiated the change without your saying anything.  

 

On this website, you might find some other helpful information for dealing with this situation under Handling Difficult Conversations or Increasing Personal Effectiveness.  Best of luck!  Marie G. McIntyre, Ph.D.

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The Emotional Basket Case

 

Q:  One of my colleagues is disorganized, easily distracted, and emotionally unstable.  She is in a high anxiety crisis mode every single day.  All conversations are about her problems: I need a vacation, my allergies are acting up, I’m having a bad hair day, and so on. Other people come to me to complain about her, even though I’m not her manager.  They seem to expect me to do something about it. How can we keep our sanity?!

 

A:  With high maintenance people, the key is to avoid adding fuel to their fire.  This means that you need to be completely unresponsive to your colleague’s emotional ploys.  Do not get into extended conversations about allergies or bad hair days.  When she tries to "hook" you into these discussions, say something like "I'm sorry to hear that" and go about your business.  If she persists (which she will for awhile), just say "You know, I'd love to chat but I really have to get back to this report (or whatever)".  She will eventually decide that you are no fun to talk to. 

 

When your colleague talks about work, however, you should be friendly, interested, and responsive.  Your goal is to reward appropriate conversation and discourage whining.  If you can enlist your other co-workers in this effort, the whole department might get some peace. 

 

Also, you need to stop the group gripe sessions about the drama queen.  While she’s wasting time complaining about her life, the rest of you are wasting time complaining about her!  If you are serious about putting an end to this situation, then everybody needs to stop gossiping about it.  Perhaps you could suggest that everyone agree to a “no complaining” pact.

 

One final thought: If you believe that your emotional colleague might truly have a mental health problem, then you need to involve someone in management or human resources.  Describe the behavior that you have observed and how it is interfering with the work.  Once you have made them aware of the situation, they should take it from there.   Marie McIntyre

 

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